Vinespeak

Phaexit is pretty magnificent.

I propose we immortalize my hero with the term Rhining - to Rhine is to bluntly, accurately and amusingly demolish another poster and his/her position in a thread, esp. in cases where the tone alone would qualify as a CoH violation if the content wasn't so spot on.

Alternately we could Cyxit, which is to quietly announce in an obscure comment thread, and purely for purposes of being curteous to those that like you, that you are leaving newsvine, and then never be seen or heard from again.

23 votes

#1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:04 PM EST

Ah, I miss the old boy. Who's gonna keep us honest now?

12 votes

#1.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:17 PM EST

David Mc Girr

I'm well pleased the NDC got a mention.

-Dave

8 votes

#1.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:01 PM EST

Calvin Tang

Scary, but I miss him a little too. Maybe I shouldn't have Tanged him so hard!

18 votes

#1.3 - Sat Feb 3, 2007 8:07 PM EST

Haha, somehow it just sounds dirty when you say it :-P

17 votes

#1.4 - Sat Feb 3, 2007 8:16 PM EST

Jared Kardos

Oh, the brutal sexuality...

1 vote

#1.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:21 AM EST

Don't you just love being Tango'ed?

Not sure if that advertising campaign ever made it beyond these shores?

4 votes

#1.6 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:44 AM EST

djd

I know what you're on about if no one else does Raat :-)

2 votes

#1.7 - Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:48 PM EDT

Oh you would. As would virtually everyone else on this side of the pond. That was a classic!

2 votes

#1.8 - Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:49 PM EDT

djd

This will help the rest :)

3 votes

#1.9 - Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:23 PM EDT

Brilliant. Where would we be without YouTube!

Hope Calvin watches that! If so, he'll need to change his avatar to something orangey to go with the word in Vinespeak named after him:-)

3 votes

#1.10 - Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:35 PM EDT

Dennis P. McCannDeleted

And I thought China was the new Turkey:-)

5 votes

#1.12 - Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:42 PM EDT

merrydeath

Phaexit is a wonderful suggestion - steeped in newsvinestory (newsvine-history) and originating from the departure and return and departure again and return again of viner Phaedrus72.

I would also like to add Newsvinery - it can be used when a otherwise non-newsvine related discussion gets hijacked by meta-issues. Please stop the Newsvinery - isn't there a group for that?

19 votes

#2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:05 PM EST

Newsvinery sounds like it could be a good thing. How about metajacking?

15 votes

#2.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:14 PM EST

Zeina

I agree. I already use the verb "to newsvine" as in "I'm newsvining right now" to simply mean browsing Newsvine

7 votes

#2.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:51 PM EST

vicaxp

fennelizing = to knowingly seed or write articles just to get those email alerts that someone wants to add you as a friend

18 votes

#3 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:13 PM EST

Except that I get more friends from being extreme and sarcastic. LOL

3 votes

#3.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:14 PM EST

more friends from being extreme and sarcastic

in which case the verb is gwennizing

this is good - where have I been for 3 weeks!

5 votes

#3.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:41 AM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

Try a year, Raat. ;)

Nevermind. I see below that you figured it out.

Maybe we need a term for that--when we start commenting on a year old thread as if it's just been published?

revivalism? oldthreadism?

4 votes

#3.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:04 AM EST

LOL - and it's not the first time it's happened to me. May even have done it on one of yours. When I was younger:-)

I think it does warrant an addition in Vinespeak. The manner in which it has happened to me a few times - as in here, where it takes a while before the light switches on, suggests the word should reflect that. Ummmm...

how about 'latecom-ing'?

2 votes

#3.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:16 AM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

that's a good one!

2 votes

#3.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:50 AM EST

Oh good lord - this is another one of those zombies isn't it? Who woke it?

3 votes

#3.6 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:41 PM EST

Viki Babbles Gonia

lol, Glinda. I don't know who woke it first, but it's a fun trip down memory lane. ;)

2 votes

#3.7 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:30 PM EST

There are some pretty funny people around here :-D

1 vote

#3.8 - Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:45 PM EST

Oh good lord - this is another one of those zombies isn't it? Who woke it?

It would appear that it was the non-comment by joanah martin that started it. Noah and then Walt commented. It twigged my watchlist and then apparently a couple of others and it was a free for all. LOL

2 votes

#3.9 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:12 AM EST

to Joanah = wake up a zombie from a deep slumber

6 votes

#3.10 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:35 AM EST

Killfile

As a bit of an experiment, does Newsvine support the use of abbr tags?

1 vote

#4 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:23 PM EST

Adam Hobson

Well, abbr is not in the list of tags allowed, so I'm guessing the experiment failed...

However, if you want to fudge one, give the strong tag a title attribute.

1 vote

#4.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:19 PM EST

stop nikitaB-ing!!!!

(advertising your seeds or leaving dozens of comments on your own article)

Here's an example - lol see comments

12 votes

#5 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:28 PM EST

Heh. I seem to recall nikitaB on the recieving end of a particularly brutal Rhining once or twice.

5 votes

#5.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:40 PM EST

lol yes he deserved to get tanged

8 votes

#5.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:42 PM EST

Wow that thread has 150 comments. Oh, it got Gore Portered

12 votes

#6 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:32 PM EST

I would like to suggest the adjective Dogness for my friend Alpha Dog. It means kindness of enormous size driven by no other motive.

9 votes

#7 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:42 PM EST

Otherwise known as Celestiniosity.

8 votes

#7.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:44 PM EST

Jeez... I don't know who that is. But maybe if you say so.

1 vote

#7.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:33 AM EST

Me too ... I have a headache!!!!

I miss Alpha Doggie. Is she OK???

2 votes

#7.3 - Fri Feb 2, 2007 1:16 AM EST

I am gonna ask her.

2 votes

#7.4 - Fri Feb 2, 2007 10:45 PM EST

Mike ... I tried to contact her but didn't get a response. I saw Doggie's post about her trip to the ER that happened when I was out of the country and I am worried that she may be ill. Any luck on your end?????

Hey little "doggie" ... you out there roaming the prairies somewhere????

Nance

2 votes

#7.5 - Sat Feb 3, 2007 12:28 PM EST

Dear Miss NC,

She is okay except they don't yet know what the probem is yet.

I miss Miss Her Royal Dogness on here.

But she said she would be back soon.

So... I wait.

2 votes

#7.6 - Sat Feb 3, 2007 10:27 PM EST

Mike! She's back! She left a comment on a couple of my seeds ... the penguin and kitty rescues in Auckland. Will I ever get over this jet lag?

Nance

1 vote

#7.7 - Sun Feb 4, 2007 12:30 AM EST

Yes... Miss Alpha is okay. Even if they don't know what is wrong.

And No... Jet lag is a problem that diminishes with time. Don't push it. Pull it.

Tomorrow is the SuperBowl. It's big I have been told.

Afterwards... we can get on with tomorrow.

Where Alpha Dog is her old self (sorry about the word) and you... Miss NC are free of Jet Lag...

That is where we should be...

Right?

1 vote

#7.8 - Sun Feb 4, 2007 1:38 AM EST

Right! Guess not having a full day or more to recoup before going back to 3 weeks worth of work sitting on my desk made it a bit more unbearable.

2 votes

#7.9 - Sun Feb 4, 2007 12:14 PM EST

vicaxp

Or being Malboned! jumping into a battle of wits and coming unarmed!

As in; He just started a debate with Stacy M and has no idea wtf he is talking about? He's gonna get Malboned!

17 votes

#8 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:48 PM EST

Corey Spring

Haha I like that one

7 votes

#8.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:19 PM EST

I do too, it's like being Rhined, but nicely and you don't mind so much.

8 votes

#8.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:50 PM EST

Or being Malboned! jumping into a battle of wits and coming unarmed!

Also known as being McDermotized!

5 votes

#8.3 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:29 PM EST

after that, you might need to visit a McDermotologist.

5 votes

#8.4 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:23 AM EST

wrycatcherDeleted

Being Malboned or Evanoed, the result might be the same. even?

2 votes

#8.6 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:46 AM EST

Noah BradleyDeleted

Flashlight Tag. When new viners post brilliant articles, but fail to tag them effectively. I have seen this many times, and granted, Newsvine live will help, but PLEASE at least hit the major tags each piece deals with. For example, an article about US jobs being lost in Hollywood due to exporting of labor to India should at least be tagged with world news, entertainment & us news. That way people that are interested in reading about the topic can find it.

9 votes

#10 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:15 PM EST

Adam Hobson

Jacobseeding

You may want to change that to RedWolfing since Red Wolf is beating Clause by a good thousand plus seeds.

and now I'm top of the Leaderboard!

Well, you may want to use killfiling for that. Killfile may not be the most prolific user (though he is at the top), but everything he posts is gold. He blows away all other users in just the amount of popular items he posts.

8 votes

#11 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:23 PM EST

RaymontDeleted

finalcut

Keldish = any seed that involves a conspiracy theory or is militantly anti-the US govt.

I bump into a lot of keldish seeds; though not as many as I used to.

15 votes

#13 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:20 PM EST

RaymontDeleted

Fipe

Gideonness - the ability to relate a seed or article on almost any topic to your own favoured issues.

Ignoritation - the sense of irritation when your best seed of the month gets only two votes and no comments. (Can anyone come up with a better word for that? I don't much like 'ignoritation' but I couldn't think of anything better.)

8 votes

#20 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:07 PM EST

Yuriy Bilokonsky

I got one for the opposite of Ignoritation. When you write an article and it's really more or less worthless but it still gets twenty votes, although completely undeservingly. Can anyone guess the word I'm thinking of?

Hint: When I say "you" I don't mean me.

2 votes

#20.1 - Sat Mar 3, 2007 12:39 AM EST

Ms CYPRAH

(Can anyone come up with a better word for that? I don't much like 'ignoritation' but I couldn't think of anything better.)

Fipe, can I suggest being Vineblasted for that?

PS...I love being 'Tanged'...groovy and apt!

I also propose being Coultered, when someone is being treated really nice by another Viner. :o)

3 votes

#20.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM EST

Pamela Drew

H-COHed = Being handcuffed by the CoH from saying, exactly what you're thinking.

13 votes

#21 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:09 PM EST

I have yet to be handcuffed by CoH despite dishing it up good when my bulls hit indicator goes TILT. Why reply politely to garbage? Like Mykola said re: Rhining - if you're spot on, there is no dishonor.

Pamela I officially dissolve any handcuffs you may have perceived.

3 votes

#21.1 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:27 AM EST

Pamela I officially dissolve any handcuffs you may have perceived.

Wait a second. What's the rush? I mean, can't we have a little fun with her while she can't fight back? ::winkwink::

4 votes

#21.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM EST

Muckraking on Pamela is not recommended:-) There you go, that becomes another word to go in.

2 votes

#21.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:53 AM EST

Steve Watts

I'll submit a few:

strawmannerism: (n) the tendency during a debate to call any argument, fallacious or not, a strawman.

post hasted: (v) to have hit "Post Comment" moments before catching your fatal typo and realize there is no edit button

15 votes

#22 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:35 PM EST

Ah, post hasted is a necessary term. It has burned me many a time. Good call, Steve.

9 votes

#22.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:40 PM EST

i post haste constantly. my typos are so bad it's hard to believe I was once a fine pianist.

2 votes

#22.2 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:28 AM EST

wrycatcherDeleted

El Maestro

"BB says vinespeak is doubleplusungood" - Minitrue

4 votes

#23 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:54 PM EST

Thura

Perhaps Gripevine for threads that do nothing but "gripe," about the state of the Vine or other Viners. Kinda like this article...

*Grins and runs away covering his head.*

17 votes

#24 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:27 AM EST

Steve Watts

I was trying to think of a term to mean an article or comment that merely complains about how your article or comment is so much more well-written than Popular Article/Comment X, but it got much less attention, votes, comments, or praise. I couldn't think of a word for it without being blatantly inflammatory, so I held my tongue. Your solution is probably better, so gripevine it is.

5 votes

#24.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:45 AM EST

Perhaps Gripevine for threads that do nothing but "gripe," about the state of the Vine or other Viners.

For this behavior, I prefer Newswhine.

Kinda like this article...

*Grins and runs away covering his head.*

What the...?! I may be quilty of many a griping post, but this one is celebrating and enouraging the use of Vinespeak.

13 votes

#24.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:13 PM EST

Thura

Well Newswhine does sound cool.

What the...?! I may be quilty of many a griping post, but this one is celebrating and enouraging the use of Vinespeak.

I was just Twigging your vine man. BTW I think this is an excellent idea, to get some genuinely funny terms out there. Will you be compiling the "Best of.." afterwards?

4 votes

#24.3 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:38 PM EST

Dear Miss (I hope) Thura...

I second your request. Mr Walt D should be elected to compile the new language being created here. Plus whatever it means.

After all... he's the one who asked.

He's the one getting the comments... makin' all the money.

So... do we agree? He's like elected... right? Seven years is the official term with an option for the two electorate to exend it for seven more years... no questions asked.

What does getting "Vinerated" mean?

Well... let's ask Mr. Walt D next term.

Mr Walt... never trust a Weirdo. It's a rule. :)

1 vote

#24.4 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:48 PM EST

I hereby propose the verb "to dawk", meaning to vehemently and impatiently point out the fundamentally irrational foundations of religious faith. Dawking someone is kind of like rhining them, but it's more specific - when you Rhine them, odds are they were being a dick and they deserve to be humiliated. When you dawk them, they merely had the audacity to (perhaps innocently) profess their belief in a higher power. I think this captures it well, because to some (like me) dawking has no negative connotations; to others, it is an indefensible form of rhining.

EXAMPLE: There used to be some proponents of Intelligent Design in these forums, but Praetor dawked all of their arguments and they either converted, left or spontaneously combusted.

...I'd also consider the verb "to noam" when this happens in political discourse, since Chomsky is as eloquent, easy-to-understand and intolerant of bull@!$%# as Dawkins is, but I'm not sure if that'd catch on.

EXAMPLE: Back in the day there were a lot more contributors posting jingoistic, conservative articles - but most of their points got noamed and they've really cut back their participation, leaving only a vocal handful to carry on their thankless task.

13 votes

#25 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:45 AM EST

Mykola,

LOL great post - examples work well

To be clear it can also be a noun.

As you everyone knows; Mykola is such a dawk.

and
We should spend more time noaming people here.

9 votes

#25.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:57 AM EST

ArdithDeleted

Thura

Well here is one.. Vinejacking to refer to an act where someone goes off topic, knowingly or unknowingly.

.. and my thoughts on that particular annoying habit.

5 votes

#27 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:43 PM EST

Zeina

Beware of getting involved in NikitaBing behavior now! :)

3 votes

#27.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:56 PM EST

Zeina

CRAP! I post hasted; the word was mentioned earlier as "nikitaB-ing"

1 vote

#28 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:02 PM EST

u could request a pal-tang

this is when u contact the seed author and ask them to delete your comment as a favor (often useful)

4 votes

#28.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:15 PM EST

finalcut

I think we may want to be careful to not overuse the term "tang" as it does have some explicit connotations especially when combined with the prefix "poon." While pal is not poon it definitely served to remind me of the other meaning of "tang" and I don't mean the orange space drink!

2 votes

#28.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:53 PM EST

ArdithDeleted

Killfile

I'd cash that out. Would you cash that out, cause I sure as hell would.

Nudge-nudge-wink-wink-say-no-more-squire!

5 votes

#28.4 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:14 PM EST

ArdithDeleted

Dear Miss Ardith...

Was that how's your parrot...

or who's you parrot?

Man... I am confused.

But this is VineFunderful.

1 vote

#28.6 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:55 PM EST

Killfile

He is passed on! He is gone to meet his Mak-ka! He is no more! Bereft of life he rests in peace! This.... is an EX-PARROT!

5 votes

#28.7 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:23 PM EST

Look, I paid for an argument.

2 votes

#28.8 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:28 PM EST

ArdithDeleted

But what made you paint it with three Christs?!!!

2 votes

#28.10 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:37 PM EST

Damn... that was killfile's parrot?

And the Mak-ka thing was part of the story? Or is that supposed to be May-ka?

This is scary. He was an EX-PARROT. I was an EX-PATRIOT! Who's next?

Is it alphabetical? What is happening? Global cleansing?

Crap. Can't fix it... it is posted.

Dear Mr whatisleft...

What is left? If you don't mind me asking?

Dear Mr Killfile... sorry about your ex-parrot. I'm meeting the May-ka next week. Shall I put in a good word?

2 votes

#28.11 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 12:30 AM EST

I don't know, it was left, now it's not.

2 votes

#28.12 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 12:35 AM EST

His vital processes are of interest only to historians!

2 votes

#28.13 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 9:07 AM EST

Dear Author...

Whose vital functions?:)

#28.14 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 9:33 PM EST

The parrot's! Pay attention.

1 vote

#28.15 - Fri Feb 2, 2007 10:16 AM EST

Sorry.

Did he poop on you... or me?

#28.16 - Fri Feb 2, 2007 10:47 PM EST

Noah BradleyDeleted

DSMc2gal

Noah Bradley,
I beg to differ with you, good sir. At first I thought that you may be correct, but that was yesterday. When I got back onto the Vine today, this conversation was still here! Just to test this phenomenon again, I logged out, and closed my browser. I even turned my computer off, and then back on. I logged back onto the Vine, and found this conversation with no difficulty at all! And I thought, "Wow! Such semi-permanence!"

2 votes

#28.18 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:19 AM EST

racheldora

wow. definitely taking vineacity to a new level:)
i am speechless. literally.
except for CRAP--i've already wanted to use that one;)
can i suggest a a vine~thesauras or vinesauras to translate what the hell ya'll are talking about for us newbies?

again. wow.

3 votes

#29 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 5:58 AM EST

David Mc Girr

Vinesauraus is already a type of dinosaur.

Rather obscure dinosaur, never did much. Just spent all it's time discussing the news of the day at length. Making up words...

-Dave

may I suggest Mcgirred, dissappearing for long periods of time, then suddenly winning a NDC.

7 votes

#29.1 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 9:03 AM EST

RaymontDeleted

call me clueless, but what is NDC?

#31 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 1:58 PM EST

Alpha Maille

clueless, it was the Newsvine Drinking Contest.

2 votes

#31.1 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:00 PM EST

collapsegasm = what happens when your ! is the one that finally collapses a comment.

12 votes

#32 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:16 PM EST

That happens?

...I've never had one :-(

4 votes

#32.1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:05 AM EST

rottlady

...I've never had one :-(

Me neither....
Glinda, I guess we're missing out on something, huh?

4 votes

#32.2 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:14 AM EST

call me something nice and you'll get your opportunity:-)

then we'll create a name for it after you!

5 votes

#32.3 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:49 AM EST

Wooohooo! I just starred your comment!

5 votes

#32.4 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:43 PM EST

rottlady

I guess then, that's a stargasm? I want one- no, I want two!....

5 votes

#32.5 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:02 PM EST

Noah BradleyDeleted

Raat ki RaaniDeleted

Hee we'll see what happens.

4 votes

#32.8 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:33 PM EST

rottlady

Well, when you explain it that way then ok, we'll see what we can do! well it didn't work yet....

5 votes

#32.9 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:35 PM EST

Wooohooo! I just starred your comment!

And I just starred yours. w00t

4 votes

#32.10 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:38 PM EST

Well, I've reported you as inflammatory, no value and advertising.

Feeling pretty childish right now :-D

3 votes

#32.11 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:49 PM EST

Well, I was hoping it would just get collapsed. Instead I got (urm, don't read too much in this Glinda) Glindead.

Now would we all like to find a simple way to Glindead all those trolls and bullies. Jus like dat.

Thanks for playing guys:-)

4 votes

#32.12 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:08 PM EST

Well, many a man would be proud to have lasted so long, dear. :)

4 votes

#32.13 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:24 PM EST

Just goes to show that the CoH does work when it is applied. My first CoH foul (well kinda). Didn't last long.

3 votes

#32.14 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:36 PM EST

w00t, I helped!! Probably the first time a report by me did anything.

3 votes

#32.15 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:37 PM EST

Well, I was hoping it would just get collapsed. Instead I got (urm, don't read too much in this Glinda) Glindead.

Hah - believe me if you had been properly Glindaed, you wouldn't be sitting up talking about it yet.
:-p

p.s. Raat I hope you didn't get into trouble with the Newsvine cops.

4 votes

#32.16 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:56 PM EST

I hope you didn't get into trouble with the Newsvine cops

Sir Walt is the Newsvine King of Anarchy. He owns this thread. I feel I am in safe hands:-)

4 votes

#32.17 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:17 PM EST

vineassity - acting like a total moron on Newsvine

16 votes

#33 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:17 PM EST

vineagra - substance known to cause user to sprout viney leafy thingies

11 votes

#34 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:25 PM EST

lauhallelujah! reaction when lauhal leaves a comment. see also "malbon mot" (oddly her name combines bad & good!), and stolte-sawitticism.

11 votes

#35 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:29 PM EST

lauhallelujah! reaction when lauhal leaves a comment.

...or posts a photo!

3 votes

#35.1 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 5:04 PM EST

oh, my! has she been RAV-ished yet?

5 votes

#35.2 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:16 PM EST

Don't talk about her like she's not here! ;)

2 votes

#35.3 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:45 PM EST

well, how much sense would it make to follow Walt D's comment ith "have you been RAV-ished yet?"? - he might tke it all wrong - unless thee are photos of Walt we don't know about. ;p

2 votes

#35.4 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 10:33 PM EST